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Backup "non-hidden File volume" backup to Cloud

Topics: Users Discussion
Oct 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM
I've read this page, and others also: Very tech talk if you work with it every day.

( https://veracrypt.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=How%20to%20Back%20Up%20Securely)

but I guess I am dense...so if I mount the file drive it will not do me any good to backup Virtual created drive or if I try the Whole unmounted 2 Gig file I would have to backup the whole encrypted File ( or Volume).

I have a slow rural ISP and backups are very slow if you have to backup all of 2 Gig and maybe only 200 meg of files in it.

Very good program and donated to it documentation is good also but >65 and meds. I don't have as good as logic or memory as I once had.

Thanks very much I need to backup very badly has all my records on it and I've been running it for a week or more.
Oct 24, 2015 at 6:18 PM
Hello Beep Beep, :-)

Idea # 1

If your threat model is not concerned with government agencies trying to access your data and since you are not using a hidden volume, then using a alphanumeric password with special characters of more than 20 characters in length should be sufficient to thwart an offline attack.

Create the file container volume locally, mount and copy your files into the new file container, dismount the new file container and copy the new file container volume one time to the Cloud.

In the future when you need to backup, mount both volumes to copy only the new or modified files to the backup volume located in the Cloud. Dismount the volumes once backup is completed.

Idea # 2

Would creating a backup locally to an external disk drive be an option versus using the Cloud?

You can physically connect the external drive to power and your PC when you perform the backup by copying the dismounted 2 GB file container to the external drive. Use Windows to safely disconnect the external device. Remove the external device from power and your PC to prevent any chance of power surge or virus/malware from impacting the backup drive.

The drawback is that you do not have offsite backup.

Create External Backup of Header Key

Using the VeraCrypt application, select your file container, click Volume Tools button and select Backup Volume Header to create a file that is a backup of the header keys for the file container.

If the volume header key gets damaged, you can try mounting the volume using the embedded backup header key via the options button or restore using the external header key backup file.

Kind Regards.
Oct 25, 2015 at 6:39 AM
Edited Oct 25, 2015 at 6:58 AM
Thank you so much I'll reread and try to get it all. Beep Beep was cute! I always loved that show as a kid!

Most I understand and I am sure you cleared it up I just have a memory or judgment lock on one thing but think I'll be able to figure it out. I had already backed up header to SD card in my safe now, that info was nice to know.

Overall this site have VERY good documentation had NO trouble at all getting it set up worked perfectly. Just some finer details that are important are harder to understand or to me left out if you don't work with this every day.

Thank you very much.

__So if I do Idea 2# it will copy the whole encrypted Volume to SD card and be same size and hash? With that copied and the header info I could recover if I had lost my SSD or move to another computer or drive if needed?
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Thinking of new one, I have patched this Alienware M17 2009 model with no bios update available more than one knows. BUT it servers my purpose... I need to take the time to relearn Linux and go back to it so I don't have to do the update Win 10 privacy ?rap!

I am doing NOTHING illegal not even porn ( to boring ) etc. but just figure my business is mine, only people I let in. Don't do face, Twit, etc. wastes to much time! When they locked my fictitious account and wanted my Drivers license I said I just can easily live without it.

Have you seen Vivaldi browser? Been helping with that for 6 mos. it is fabulous! Jon of OLD Opera and team are developing it. Most power users have really liked it..maybe you could help. I'm not much anymore.
Oct 25, 2015 at 5:22 PM
RoadRunner4 wrote:
So if I do Idea 2# it will copy the whole encrypted Volume to SD card and be same size and hash? With that copied and the header info I could recover if I had lost my SSD or move to another computer or drive if needed?
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Yes, if you copy the dismounted file container to the SD card, you can merely copy that file back to your SSD or another computer. If you have a thumbdrive, make another copy to that device. The more backups on different devices the better. SD cards can fail without warning which is true of most electronic devices.

What version of Windows are you running?

I foresee Windows 7 & 8 being supported for the next few years. By the time Microsoft stops releasing patches for Win 7/8, we will probably see the next two newer versions of Windows OS released.

I have not heard of Vivaldi browser which looks interesting.

Kind Regards.
Oct 25, 2015 at 9:10 PM
Edited Oct 25, 2015 at 9:13 PM
I now get the Data but what about the program?

Reinstalling it what do I need for that, or does the header or file do all that for you? Assuming the header is good and is total installer if NOT corrupted to run cause all the keys etc. will be in file itself? And if corrupted can correct that with header file?

Thanks again I think you'd really appreciate the "features and total customization" Vivaldi offers I have NO steak in it at all. Here's developers link and you can get latest and comment and help if you sign up. It's still pre-beta but pretty stable if newer system, if patched up as much as mine might have few problems but doubt it.

https://vivaldi.net/en-US/teamblog/61-snapshot-1-0-303-27-further-tab-fixes-and-search-field-improvements
Oct 25, 2015 at 9:32 PM
To reinstall the VeraCrypt software, you can download the version you are using from the link below.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/veracrypt/files/

You can copy the "VeraCrypt Setup N.nn.exe" to your backup devices.
Oct 25, 2015 at 10:21 PM
Sorry I was going to say this before:

I see you can INCREASE the size of the volume but can you decrease it? Or IS the only way to do that is to un-encrypt the volume and then redo it?

I maybe didn't explain it clearly enough: With the exe program file and the data volume file alone it will automatically recognize the keys and all and work.

You can copy the "VeraCrypt Setup N.nn.exe" to your backup devices. And that files is the program file in total only need it when changing and does it have to be the same version as created or is it downward compatible.

Sorry for being such a novice it's just encryption is what I have to understand. I have read everything for several years but just want to make sure I get it because it seems there are many ways to implement it.
Oct 25, 2015 at 10:47 PM
Edited Oct 26, 2015 at 12:43 AM
I see you can INCREASE the size of the volume but can you decrease it? Or IS the only way to do that is to un-encrypt the volume and then redo it?
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You can increase the volume size by using the VeraCryptExpander for encrypted VeraCrypt volumes without a hidden volumes. You cannot decrease the size of an encrypted volume.
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I maybe didn't explain it clearly enough: With the exe program file and the data volume file alone it will automatically recognize the keys and all and work.
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Yes.
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... does it have to be the same version as created or is it downward compatible.
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Ideally using the same version. Higher versions are generally backward compatible.